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	<title>Thailand Visa Information &#187; Work Permits</title>
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		<title>Visa Runs in Thailand</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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The two most accessible borders are Burma (aka Myanmar)  and Laos. The tourist border-crossings for each are about the same distance [...]]]></description>
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<p>The two most accessible borders are Burma (aka Myanmar)  and Laos. The tourist border-crossings for each are about the same distance from Pai, but the Burmese government is a military junta and one of the most oppressive governments in the world, and much of the world has strict sanctions against them, and many human-rights groups are on campaigns to keep everybody from supporting the military junta in any way. I&#8217;m not nearly as educated on the subject as I&#8217;d like to be, but I&#8217;ve heard enough to weigh my actions. Meanwhile, Laos is more expensive and more time consuming to cross into&#8230; about $50 more expensive and an extra couple of hours of time.</p>
<p><img src="http://static.flickr.com/117/292318521_54c274b492_m.jpg" alt="IMG_1691.JPG" align="left" height="180" width="240" />Does anybody go to Laos instead of Burma? Not often. There are regular visa-runs from Pai to Burma and back. The same goes for several other popular northern cities. The van leaves every couple days at 10pm. It drives all night, drops a few people off near the Laos border, continues to the Burma Border, waits for an hour for the border-runners to cross over and back, and then drives straight back to Pai (NOT going back past the Laos border), to get everybody home by about 4pm the day after they left.</p>
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		<title>Visa and Work Permit FAQ</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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          First off what&#8217;s the difference between a legal and an illegal teacher?


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A      legal teacher has a teacher&#8217;s license (from the Thai Ministry of Education),      a work permit (from the Thai [...]]]></description>
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<td height="14" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">     First off what&#8217;s the difference between a legal and an illegal teacher?</font></strong></td>
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<td height="19" valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">A      legal teacher has a teacher&#8217;s license (from the Thai Ministry of Education),      a work permit (from the Thai Labor Department) and a one-year visa (from the      Thai Immigration Dept) The one year visa is issued on the strength of you      having a work permit. If you don&#8217;t get the work permit, you don&#8217;t get the      one year visa. They are inextricably linked.<br />
An illegal teacher has no teacher&#8217;s license and no work permit, and of      course - no one year visa. Illegal teachers are resigned to doing border      hops and consulate runs to neighboring countries every month or every 2-3 months depending      on how they&#8217;ve got things organized. </font></p>
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<td height="18" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What visa options are      available to me before I enter Thailand?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" height="288" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td height="288" valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2"> 	To say that Thailand&#8217;s visa regulations are extraordinarily complex just  	doesn&#8217;t do things justice. And if anything they seem to get more and more  	complicated as time goes by.<br />
Well      there are three main options and these themselves have options within them.</font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><strong>On-entry Visa:</strong> Most nationalities can receive 30 days on entry      automatically with the option (at the Immigration officers discretion) to      extend by 10 days (OR SOMETIMES 14 DAYS at a cost of 1,900 Baht) at an      Immigration office. Go here for the list of countries:      <a href="http://www.imm3.police.go.th/eng/">http://www.imm3.police.go.th/eng/</a></font> 	<font face="Verdana" size="2">There are countless foreigners who have lived  	in Thailand for years and simply toddled off to a border point every 30  	days, done a quick &#8216;in and out&#8217; and received a fresh 30-day stamp. That all  	changed on October 1st 2006 when Thai immigration announced that you could  	only have a maximum of three 30-day stamps, and then you have to spend 90  	days out of the country before you were allowed another one&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.or you  	have to go to a Thai consulate abroad and get a &#8216;proper&#8217; visa (tourist or  	non-immigrant) There are many theories as to why this rule came about but  	one popular notion is that it stops foreigners using the perpetual 30-day  	stamp as a cheap sort of permanent residency permit.</font></p>
<p><img src="http://www.ajarn.com/images/passport.jpg" align="left" border="0" height="103" width="96" /><font face="Verdana" size="2"><strong>Tourist Visas:</strong> Can and must be issued by a Thai Embassy or Consulate      and there are different numbers of entries (not always easy to get more than      one though!). A single tourist Visa would automatically entitle you to 60      days on entry to Thailand, with the option to extend by 30 days (again at      1,900 Baht) at an Immigration office. A double entry tourist Visa would      entitle you to the above, with a further 60 day entry once you&#8217;ve left and      returned (exit and re-entry) to Thailand (see border runs further on) and      the option to extend by a further 30 days. A triple entry would be the same      but with THREE entries of 60 days etc. The most entries I&#8217;m aware of is      four, but you&#8217;ll find that most neighboring Asian countries will only issue singles or doubles  	at best. A common question is &#8216;which embassy or consulate is the best to go  	to for a tourist visa? Penang in Malaysia? What about Kuala Lumpur? How  	about Vientiane in Laos? Or Cambodia even? The answer is &#8216;who the hell  	knows?&#8217; You hear just as many success stories as you do refusals - from all  	consulates. It all really depends on which way the wind is blowing.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">So let&#8217;s recap on what you can do with a double-entry tourist visa  	if you&#8217;re lucky enough to get one.<br />
Let&#8217;s      say you enter Thailand on the 1st January (for sake of argument). You get 60      days on entry which will allow you to stay in Thailand until the 28/29th      February. Just before the 60 days expire (or on the last day itself) you go      to immigration office in Thailand and extend for a further month. Then you      can extend for another two weeks (all extensions are currently 1,900 baht).      When your final day of your final extension is almost upon you, you catch a      bus, train or plane to a neighboring country&#8217;s border point and then turn      around and re-enter Thailand. Thus you now activate your second entry and      your second 60-days. So in effect, a double entry tourist visa will get you      60 days plus 60 days plus an optional extension of one month on each entry      and then a further extension of two weeks on each entry (all extensions can      be done at an office within Thailand). So you would get about seven months      out of your double entry tourist, but that includes one border hop and FOUR      trips to the immigration office!<br />
For the cost of tourist Visas in the UK go here:     <a href="http://www.thaiconsul-uk.com/">http://www.thaiconsul-uk.com</a><br />
Remember - you cannot work legally in Thailand on a tourist visa!</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Which brings us to <strong>Non-immigrant Visas!</strong> There are many many different      types of these but I&#8217;ll cover the main ones in the next section. </font></p>
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<td height="18" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Which visa will I need in      order to become legal?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" height="395" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td height="395" valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2"> 	A Non-immigrant B Visa is generally the Visa you need to obtain      if you are looking to work here and to get one you are required to produce a  	whole stack of paperwork including a letter of employment, an employment  	contract, maybe a letter from your embassy (and there is even talk of a  	security background check). You really need to call the embassy or consulate  	ahead of time and find out EXACTLY what they require if you want a  	non-immigrant B. If you turn up with 100 pieces of paper, then you can bet  	your boots the officer will ask for 101.<br />
On entry you&#8217;ll receive 90      days of cover, with the option to extend by 10 days at Imm (I GET 14 + 6 ALL      FOR 1900) (cost: 1,900 Baht). You can also obtain (although this may have      changed recently) double entry Non-imm Bs (two entries of 90 days, the      second entry is obtained by exiting and re-entering the country). Multiple      entry Non-imm Bs are the best as they will give you just under 15 months of      cover in 90 day intervals. For a one year period ANY and EVERY time you      enter Thailand with the Non-imm B you&#8217;ll receive 90 days on entry. Generally      most school prefer you to be on a Non-imm B if you wish to obtain a work      permit, although as mentioned before a Non-imm O (spousal or dependants      Visa) is in some ways interchangeable and vice versa! A word of advice most      Consulates are far friendlier when it comes to issuing Non-imm Bs (and      multiples at that) than Embassies.     Cost of Non-imm B in the UK: <a href="http://www.thaiconsul-uk.com/">     http://www.thaiconsul-uk.com</a></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"> 	Again, the immigration rules overhaul of October 2006 meant that  	non-immigrant visas suddenly become a lot harder to get. Well, some people  	have had problems&#8230;.but there are people who have problems doing anything.</font><font face="Verdana" size="2">A <strong>Non-immigrant O Visa</strong> is generally for people married to a Thai      national or with Thai children or dependants. This works in basically the      same way as a Non-imm B. Although if you can show funds in a Thai bank  	account (400,000 baht) or show sufficient proof of local or overseas income to      prove that you can support your family, the immigration can indefinitely extend your Visa  	for up to 12 months. A work permit can now be obtained on a Non-imm O (it  	couldn&#8217;t before 2006)</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Generally (or it      seems a lot of employers prefer) a Non-immigrant B Visa. Although it&#8217;s       possible to obtain a work permit with a Non-immigrant O Visa, it seems a      lot of employers either aren&#8217;t aware of this, or it&#8217;s too much hassle for      them. Generally you&#8217;ll need at least a couple of months of your Visa left      (which would initially be for 90 days) for the school to obtain all the      needed paperwork&#8230;although if they can show they&#8217;re going through the      motions Immigration can and will grant an extension (generally of around a      month) to give your employer time enough to finish everything off.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2"><strong>Important</strong><br />
Many people will disagree with me on this but I sincerely believe that no  	visa requirement rule is set in stone. There are many &#8216;human&#8217; factors  	involved when you apply for a visa and you are face-to-face with an  	immigration officer.<br />
Is the immigration officer in a good mood?<br />
Does he / she like you as a person and are you polite?<br />
Are you dressed smartly enough? (you don&#8217;t need to be in a velvet smoking  	jacket but Thais like clean people)<br />
Do you look like someone Thailand would want living in its country?<br />
etc, etc - the list is endless. Most of it is just plain common sense.</font></p>
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<td height="18" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Briefly, what is the process      of obtaining a teacher&#8217;s license and getting a work permit?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" height="327" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td height="327" valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">     Briefly, you give your school whatever documents they ask you for, and they      process them. You need to be tolerant and helpful at this point even if you      personally think hey have no need to ask for certain things. If you don&#8217;t      co-operate, the process will get stuck and you&#8217;ll be the one leaving the      country to get a new visa. First they obtain a teacher&#8217;s license for you,      and then they use this to get a work permit. Once you have a work permit,      your visa can be extended.</font><font face="Verdana" size="2">Lengthily, (and the details may vary between schools and provinces) the first      step is the teacher&#8217;s license. This requires more or less the following: A      personal information document, up to 12 one and a half inch photos, up to 12      two inch photos, a current health certificate (50 baht any hospital - are      you alive? yes - you passed), copies of your degree and other certs      (originals may be requested along with transcripts) certified Thai      translations of your degree and other certs, copies of every page of your      passport, school director&#8217;s license, school principal&#8217;s license, map of      school, teaching schedule of teacher, list of other work permit holders at      the school, a new blank teacher&#8217;s license book (blue), form Sor Chor 10,      form Sor Chor 17, form Ror 11. And if you&#8217;ve had a license before, then you      can add Ror 12, Sor Chor 19, Sor Chor 18, and your blue license book (not to      be confused with the work permit book, plus some provinces don&#8217;t issue them,      in which case you might need to fabricate a police report saying you&#8217;ve lost      it)</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">These are all submitted in quadruplicate to the Min of Ed, and don&#8217;t forget      to sign every single page. After a while (one week to who knows) you will      get the license back. You take this, along with most of the same documents      as above to the Labour Department, who will issue a receipt of application.      You can use the receipt to extend your visa - the implication being that      your application won&#8217;t be turned down at this stage. After about three weeks      you pick up your new work permit. When the time comes for renewal, it&#8217;s a      good idea to remind your school about one month before the expiry date,      though they really should be on top of things by that stage.</font></p>
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<td height="18" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">How long does this process      take, and do I have to do it myself?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" height="176" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td height="176" valign="top" width="96%"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">You need a school backing you      up in order to get yourself a teacher&#8217;s license. If the school can&#8217;t do the      paperwork then your own chances of doing it will be slim to non-existent.      Many schools do not actually know how to get licenses and work permits for      foreign teachers, or do not have a member of staff who has ever done it. In      this case things can get very drawn out with the application being postponed      indefinitely. If you&#8217;re the first or only foreigner in a school, good luck.</font><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">The actual process need not take a long time. The important thing is to get      the teacher&#8217;s license because that will enable you to make your work permit      application which is enough to extend your visa. When I process these, I      consider the day the visa expires to be the deadline for getting the license      in my hands. It can be done in a week. I aim for a month. If the paperwork      is flawed you can just keep on waiting.</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What are the current      requirements from the Thai Ministry of Education?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td valign="top" width="96%"><img src="http://www.ajarn.com/images/passport.jpg" align="left" border="0" height="103" width="96" /><font face="Verdana" size="2">This is something      of a 64 billion dollar question. Ask five different people and you&#8217;ll get      five different answers. The general consensus (as of Feb 2006) is that you      need BOTH a B.A (in any subject) AND a recognized TEFL certificate. If your      B.A is in English (and only English), then you do NOT need to show a TEFL      certificate in addition.<br />
I&#8217;m one of the few people who seem to push this point, but a hell of a lot      depends on your school&#8217;s relationship with the MoE. Some schools have poor      relationships with the MoE and need to jump through numerous hoops to get      their teachers legal. Other schools have good relationships and find the      whole process fairly painless (not that I&#8217;d ever use the word painless to      describe an aspect of Thai officialdom)<br />
There&#8217;s a lot of argument over what exactly constitutes a &#8216;recognized TEFL      certificate&#8217; but in my opinion, if the certificate&#8217;s got the word TEFL on it      in some shape, size or form, it should get through.<br />
Contrary to popular belief and rumor, the MoE do NOT check the validity of      degrees and TEFL certificates. They simply don&#8217;t have the manpower. The      responsibility of checking all certificates falls on the shoulders of the      employer (which is how it should be) You do however need to show <strong>original</strong>      copies to the officer at the MoE.</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Do people teach on tourist      visas for a long time? Why?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">The main reasons      that teachers work illegally (on tourist visas) are<br />
1) they don&#8217;t possess the necessary qualifications to obtain a teacher&#8217;s      license<br />
2) their school / institute can&#8217;t get them a work permit / won&#8217;t get them a      work permit / don&#8217;t know how to get them a work permit<br />
3) they actually prefer to remain a &#8216;free spirit&#8217; often juggling around      freelance work and not tied down to one particular establishment.<br />
Be warned though: teaching without a work permit can land you in serious  	trouble. Jail / fine / deportation - take your pick. </font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Does a work permit cover you      for all types of teaching work and in any location?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Surprisingly it      doesn&#8217;t and this is something that language schools and institutes remain      blissfully ignorant of. Your work permit allows you to teach in ONE location      only - the location written on the inside cover of the work permit. The      moment a teacher goes &#8216;outside&#8217;, perhaps to teach corporate clients at their      company office, the teacher is breaking the law.<br />
There has been talk of introducing a &#8216;roaming work permit&#8217; which would allow      a teacher to teach literally anywhere in Thailand provided it was for the      same company&#8230;..but it&#8217;s just talk.</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What is a border run or border      hop?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">A border hop      means taking a train, a bus, a plane or anything with wheels, and crossing a      neighboring border. Then usually coming straight back into Thailand again. A      border hop is usually done to &#8216;activate&#8217; a second or third entry on a double      or triple entry visa. </font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What is a consulate/embassy      run?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">A consulate run      is when you physically need to get a new Thai visa in your passport and that      means schlepping to a Thai consulate/embassy in a neighboring country. It      goes without saying that consulate runs are more expensive, more      time-consuming (and dare I say more stressful) than border hops. Depending      on what time of day you arrive, Thai embassies / consulates will issue you a      new visa within 48 hours.</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What countries are available      to me to do these hops and runs?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Phew! There must      be at least a dozen border points in Thailand where you can perform a border      hop, with the most popular being the Thai/Malaysian border point at Pedang      Besar, the Thailand/Laos border point at Nong Khai, and the Thailand /      Cambodia crossing at Aranya Pratheet.<br />
Long-termers generally have their own reasons for choosing a particular      border point.<br />
As far as consulates are concerned, the most popular choices are Penang      (Malaysia), and Vientiane (Laos). Other options include Singapore and Phnom      Phen. If you fancy a particular place to do a border hop or consulate run, I      suggest you put a post on the ajarn discussion board, and find out the      latest vibe for that crossing or consulate. Who knows, you might even find      someone to buddy up with! </font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">If I need to get a      non-immigrant visa from a neighboring country, what documentation do I need?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td valign="top" width="96%"><img src="http://www.ajarn.com/images/passport.jpg" align="left" border="0" height="103" width="96" /><font face="Verdana" size="2">Firstly, your      school needs to be on the unofficial official school-list at the consulate      you are going to. If your school has got its act together, they will have      notified the consulate in the past and be &#8216;on the list&#8217;. Sadly, organization      is not one of Thailand&#8217;s best traits. All is not lost though, and if you can      plead your case well enough and you&#8217;re wearing a clean shirt, you&#8217;ll      probably get your non-immigrant visa. From experience, it always seems that      the consulate in Laos is by far the strictest when it comes to &#8216;hey your      school is not on the list so here&#8217;s a tourist visa, now bugger off&#8217;  -      Vietnam and Cambodia aren&#8217;t far behind so I&#8217;ve heard.<br />
You will need to take paperwork with you in order to get a non-immigration      visa. Again, if your school knows what it&#8217;s doing, this won&#8217;t be a problem.      The keyword is &#8216;if&#8217;.</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What are the costs involved in      doing a border run and will my school pay?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Very difficult to      answer this question. You could take a cheap minibus from Bangkok to Aranya      Pratheet on the Cambodian border and still have change from thirty dollars.      Or you could fly to Singapore and stay a night in a swanky Orchard Road      hotel. Border runs can be tailored to fit most budgets.<br />
Schools almost rarely/never pay for a teacher to do a border hop or      consulate run.</font></p>
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<td align="center" valign="top" width="4%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana">Q</font></strong></td>
<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">My school will get me a work      permit if I sign a one-year contract. What happens if I break that contract?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Well, the school      will be pissed off for a start (unless you&#8217;re an awful teacher and they      can&#8217;t wait to see the back of you). In addition to that, you will probably      be required to reimburse the school for the costs of work permit, teacher&#8217;s      license, admin staff&#8217;s shoe leather, etc, etc. You can expect to cough up      something in the region of 5,000 baht.<br />
More importantly, once you quit a job, your work permit and one-year visa      are null and void. You now have SEVEN days to leave the country and get a      new visa. Make sure that you keep tabs on EXACTLY when the school hands back      your work permit to the labor department, because that&#8217;s when the 7-day      clock starts ticking. I&#8217;ve heard numerous stories of schools failing to tell      the teacher that they&#8217;ve already cancelled the work permit and the teacher      suddenly staring at a hefty overstay fine. Needless to say, breaking a      contract is something you really should avoid doing if at all possible.<br />
Paully also adds the following - In addition to the advice already given,      remember that if your written employment contract has a notice period clause      in it (as is common), for example, allowing your employer or you to      terminate the contract on one month&#8217;s written notice to the other party, you      are NOT breaking your contract by giving your employer one month&#8217;s written      notice of leaving. You are terminating your contract by agreement. This is      as valid in Thai law as in US or UK law. Your employer may still be pissed      off, but there&#8217;s nothing in law he can do about it other than try to hold up      your application for a new work permit. Keep a copy of your letter of notice      and contact the Ministry of Labour if your old employer refuses to give      you/the Min of Labour a release form (Tor Dor 11) agreeing to your leaving      and allowing you to get a new work permit. </font><font face="Verdana" size="2">Update from a teacher regarding the &#8216;7-day  	rule&#8217;<br />
<em>In my case, the employer wrote on whatever form it was that they  	presented to the Labour Department that my last date of employment was 12  	June. They actually notified the Labour Department on 14 June and  	subsequently notified Immigration on 15 June. Immigration gave me until 18  	June (ie, the clock started ticking the first second into 12 June) to leave  	the country. I was expecting a date of 21 June, so this was a bit of a  	surprise, but not a problem.</em></font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What is a re-entry permit?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">If you have a      non-immigrant visa, it will be cancelled if you leave the country. To avoid      canceling it, get a re-entry permit from immigration or at the airport      (before you go through immigration to leave). It costs 1000 baht for a      single re-entry, or 3,800 for a multiple. It&#8217;s valid as long as your visa.<br />
This is very important if you have a work permit, because canceling your      visa cancels the work permit and you have to start everything again. If you      have a multiple entry non-immigrant visa which has been extended on a work      permit (or you have a work permit application in process) then you still      need a re-entry permit, because a new entry is considered to be a new visa,      and everything will have been cancelled.<br />
If you&#8217;re hoping to qualify for residence, this is another reason to make      sure that your visa doesn&#8217;t get cancelled as you need to spend a certain      number of years here on the same visa in order to apply. If in doubt, check      with immigration first, because the consequences of getting it wrong are      troublesome. </font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">     <strong>What happens if I overstay a visa?</strong></font></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Basically if your      Visa (be it a tourist, Non-imm, entry&#8230;.whatever) is due to expire on say      7th May, 2004. You must either go to Imm (on that day&#8230;not the day after)      to get an extension (if you&#8217;re entitled to one&#8230;although to be honest      there&#8217;ll generally give you something although you don&#8217;t really want to be      paying 1,900 Baht for a days extension), or you can do a run (see border      runs) to a neighbouring country and exit and then re-enter to obtain a      further x amount of days (depending on which Visa you already hold).</font><font face="Verdana" size="2">Now overstay (and I&#8217;ve heard differing views, but this is generally how it  	works IMHO) starts from the day (kind of) your Visa runs out. So if you run  	out on the 8th and you on the 9th you&#8217;ll pay 500 Baht overstay. 10 days      would be 5,000 Baht, 20 = 10,000 Baht and so on and so on until you get to      the ceiling fine amount which is 20,000 Baht. I was under the impression      (and bear in mind the whims of Imm can change from day to day) that you were      allows one over stay of this amount in your passport&#8230;two could mean you&#8217;re      deported (again you hear a lot of different stories in regards to this).</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Now I&#8217;ve been over a few times here and there (28 days three years ago was      the most) and I&#8217;ve never had a problem with it although I have been shouted      at. Now what seems to be happening is if you can get to the border or      airport to pay the overstay you&#8217;ll (generally) be fine, BUT if you&#8217;re pulled      on overstay while in a touristy area, or just routinely asked to show your      passport and you&#8217;re on overstay&#8230;you could be in a heap of trouble. They      can and from what I&#8217;ve heard will arrest you and possibly deport you (once      you&#8217;ve paid the overstay amount owed). The worst story I&#8217;ve heard (from a      very reliable person from S&amp;A) was a chap got pulled on the Jack Golf bus      (at Sukhumvit before it was due to leave) and he was actually only 7 hours      over and on his way to the border to sort it out&#8230;.nicked and locked up!<br />
Visa services at the present time are a big no no (at least the ones that      send your passports off). </font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Can my employer refuse to give      me my teacher&#8217;s license when I leave?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><img src="http://www.ajarn.com/images/passport.jpg" align="left" border="0" height="103" width="96" /><font face="Verdana" size="2">It&#8217;s common for      schools to hang on to your teacher&#8217;s license (both the permanent version and      the version issued to that school for your current contract period) while      you&#8217;re working there. Schools sometimes like to hang on to your passport and      your blue work permit book too, officially for safekeeping, unofficially      perhaps in an attempt to stop you disappearing at the end of the month.      Remember that your passport is yours, the school has no right to keep it and      it should be kept with you. The work permit has to be kept with you OR at      your place of work during working hours: again the school has no automatic      right to keep it in the school safe forever. At the basic minimum, keep a      copy of the work permit in case you need it to refer to the number or      issue/expiry date.<br />
When you leave your work, the school must give you your permanent teacher&#8217;s      license (but not the current one issued for your employment) whether you      leave Thailand or remain to go on to a new job. Check you have the original      license with the original photograph and stamp on it. They have no right to      keep the original permanent license and give you only a copy. It&#8217;s yours,      not theirs.</font></td>
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		<title>Work in Thailand</title>
		<link>http://thaivisa.webblog.cc/2008/01/26/work-in-thailand-3/</link>
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To work as a diving instructor, in a bar or restaurant, as a web designer, salesman, in telemarketing or as an IT consultant etc. can be attractive to many foreigners in Thailand, due to the pleasant climate and the friendly people, but there are also some regulations and laws that we recommend you to notice.
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<p><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000000"><font size="-1">To work as a diving instructor, in a bar or restaurant, as a web designer, salesman, in telemarketing or as an IT consultant etc. can be attractive to many foreigners in Thailand, due to the pleasant climate and the friendly people, but there are also some regulations and laws that we recommend you to notice.</font></font></font></p>
<hr noshade="noshade" size="1" width="1" /><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000000"><font size="-1">As a non Thai citizen there are the same basic regulations if you are becomes an employee or if you set up your own company.</font></font></font></p>
<hr noshade="noshade" size="1" width="1" /><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000000"><font size="-1">1. You will need a <strong>Non Immigrant Visa</strong> to be able to obtain a work permit in Thailand. You will have to apply for this visa on an embassy outside Thailand. The first time that you apply you will only be able to get a three month visa, but after this you will be able to apply for a one year Non Immigrant B visa. Anyhow you will have to leave Thailand and pass the border every third month or visit the Immigration Authorities.</font></font></font></p>
<hr noshade="noshade" size="1" width="1" /><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000000"><font size="-1">To apply for a Non-Immigrant B visa you will need to have a letter of employment from the company or from a lawyer etc. if you are setting up your own company. With a tourist visa you are NOT allowed to work in Thailand.</font></font></font> <a href="http://thaivisa.webblog.cc/2008/01/26/work-in-thailand-3/#more-392" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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Guaranteed Job &#38; Work Permit
Do you yearn to spend many happy years living and working in tropical Thailand? Then this could be the opportunity you have been waiting for. World-Wide TEFL is a Teacher Training Centre located in Pattaya and who specialize in training people to attain the TEFL qualification.
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<h4>Guaranteed Job &amp; Work Permit</h4>
<p>Do you yearn to spend many happy years living and working in tropical Thailand? Then this could be the opportunity you have been waiting for. World-Wide TEFL is a Teacher Training Centre located in Pattaya and who specialize in training people to attain the TEFL qualification.</p>
<p>Once qualified World-Wide TEFL will guarantee you a job placement and Work Permit… They even offer you 30,000 baht while you practice teaching in schools for a two month period.</p>
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		<title>Immigration warns foreigners against illegal visa extensions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<p align="justify"><font size="2">Police Colonel Jiraphun Issarankul Na Ayuthaya, Head of the Immigration       Bureau in Pattaya, is warning foreigners to be cautious with whom they get their visa       extensions. Immigration has received reports that there are certain private companies who       do not go through the proper or legal channels when processing visa extensions.</font></p>
<p><font size="2">      </font></p>
<p align="justify"><font size="2"><font color="#800000"><strong><img src="http://www.pattayamail.com/300/n1.jpg" alt="n1.jpg (20511 bytes)" align="left" border="1" height="198" hspace="7" vspace="5" width="167" /><em>Police Colonel Jiraphun Issarankul Na       Ayuthaya.</em></strong></font></font></p>
<p><font size="2">      </font></p>
<p align="justify"><font size="2">On the 17th of April they arrested three foreigners on the grounds that       the visa stamp on their passport did not look genuine. They were British, Syrian and       German nationals. The foreigners admitted that they did not actually leave the country       when their visas were extended. They said they gave their passports to a private company       in Pattaya to do it for them for convenience sake. The service cost six to eight thousand       Baht per extension.</font></p>
<p><font size="2">      </font></p>
<p align="justify"><font size="2">Colonel Jiraphun gave a brief explanation of the legalities of       foreigners extending their visas:</font></p>
<p><font size="2">      </font></p>
<p align="justify"><font size="2">1. Should the visa expire, the holder should get an extension at the       immigration office in Pattaya. In this case the holder of the passport will be fined 200       Baht for each day of overstay, not exceeding 20,000 Baht.</font></p>
<p><font size="2">      </font></p>
<p align="justify"><font size="2">2. In the case where the passport holder hires a company to extend       his/her visa for him/her without him/her leaving the country, the passport holder will not       be fined for overstay, but will instead be arrested, charged and will have to stand trial.</font></p>
<p><font size="2">      </font><font size="2">Colonel Jiraphun continued, saying that 60 day tourist visas and 90 day non-immigrant       visas can be extended for the same length of time once more, and that he has the final say       whether or not he will extend a visa.</font></p>
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		<title>Visa &#38; Work Permit Service Pattaya</title>
		<link>http://thaivisa.webblog.cc/2008/01/25/visa-work-permit-service-pattaya/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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P.A.P.P.A Co., Ltd. helped Pattaya City host the official visit of Princess Maha Chakri Sirintorn and other important events. We have also organized and done public relations for Banglamung District, Chonburi Province, the (TAT) Tourist Authority [...]]]></description>
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<p>With our excellent success rate and signature professional and friendly service, P.A.P.P.A is pleased to bring to you yet another service to make your stay in Thailand more accommodating! P.A.P.P.A Visa Affiliated Program brings another dimension to the already established Publishing, Advertising and Property aspects of the Company. P.A.P.P.A Company has extensive experience in handling Visa services with dedicated staff working adeptly to obtain your Visa hassle free!</p>
<p>P.A.P.P.A has diplomatic ties with Thai consulates and embassies worldwide and can guarantee your Thai visas from any where around the globe. We specialize in all types of visas ranging from but not limited to Marriage Visas, Business Visas, Non Immigrant Visas of all types, Tourist Visas, 90-day Visas and Visa runs, Work permits and much more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>HOW TO GET A THAI WORK PERMIT</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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Thailand Work Permit Processing
We assist in securing Thailand work permit for qualified individuals employed by qualifying employers.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.chiangmai-online.com/gmcm-photos/march2003/passport.jpg" align="left" height="224" width="297" /> First, you must have a Non-Immigrant visa to apply for a                      work permit.<br />
<strong>Thailand Work Permit Processing</strong></p>
<p>We assist in securing Thailand work permit for qualified individuals employed by qualifying employers.</p>
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<li> Preparation of application</li>
<li> Preparation of letter of employment</li>
<li> Assembly of required documents</li>
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<p>                     <strong>A FOREIGNER WHO RECEIVES A WORK PERMIT MUST FOLLOW                      THESE REGULATIONS:</strong></p>
<p>1. Carry the work permit with him/her or keep it in the office                      during working hours to show to government officers any time.<br />
<strong>PENALTY :</strong> Anyone who violate this rule will                      be fined not more than 1,000 baht .</p>
<p>2. The foreign must perform the work according to the work                      permit only to. If he/ she wants to do different work or change                      locality of working place, this change must be approved.<br />
<strong>PENALTY :</strong> Anyone who violate this rule will                      be inprisoned not more than 1 month or fined not more than                      2,000 baht or both.</p>
<p>3. The foreign who wishes to continue working musto apply                      for an extension before the expiration date.<br />
<strong>PENALTY :</strong> Anyone who violates this rule will                      be imprisoned not more than 3 months or fined not more than                      5,000 baht or both.</p>
<p>4. If his/her work permit is materially damaged or lost, the                      foreign must apply for substitute within 15 days from the                      date he/she knows about the damage or disappearance of the                      work permit.<br />
<strong>PENALTY :</strong> Anyone who violates this rule will                      be fined not more than 500 baht .</p>
<p>5. In case the foreign changes his/her first name, last name,                      nationality , address, or name of the working place, he/she                      must notify the Employment Service office to update the information                      as soon as possible.</p>
<p>6. After the to foreign resigns from work, the foreign must                      return the work permit within 7 days from the date of the                      resignation<br />
<strong>PENALTY : </strong>Anyone who violates this rule will                      be fined not more than 1000 baht.</p>
<p><strong>Factors to be aware of:</strong></p>
<ol>
<li>You must be present in Thailand on a non-immigrant status                        entry permit, on both the day your work permit application                        is submitted, and the day it is picked up.</li>
<li>Your work permit will expire on the same date as the entry                        permit you use to pick up your work permit. This generally                        means that your first work permit – if issued against                        a 90 day entry permit, will have only 10 weeks validity,                        once issued. Most clients will need to use work permit to                        apply for extended entry permit – and once that entry                        permit extension is issued, apply for a renewed work permit                        whose expiration date matches the new entry permit.</li>
<li>In most cases, for each work permit issued to a foreigner,                        the sponsoring company must have 2 million baht capitalization,                        and at least four Thai employees. For a start-up company,                        it is sometimes possible to obtain a work permit for purposes                        of opening a bank account without meeting all requirements,                        but obtaining later work permit renewals generally requires                        that qualifying criteria be met. If a company has four Thai                        employees, plus 2 million baht paid-in capital for each                        work permit requested, it is normally very easy to obtain                        a work permit.</li>
<li>To satisfy new rules upcoming, monthly salary of work                        permit holders generally needs to be at least 60,000 Baht                        (you must be paying monthly personal income tax on at least                        this amount).</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>EMPLOYERS WISHING TO EMPLOY A FOREIGNER MUST DO THE                      FOLLOWING</strong></p>
<ol>
<li>Do not employ the foreign without a work permit. Do not                        allow the foreign to perform work other than that which                        is specified in his/her work permit, or to work under any                        other conditions than those specified in the work permit.<br />
<strong>PENALTY : </strong>Imprisonment of not more than                        3 years or fine of not more than 60,000 baht or both.</li>
<li> An employer who employs the foreign to work or transfers                        him/her to work elsewhere or allows the foreign to resign                        must notify the Nakhon Ratchasima Employment Service Office                        within 15 days from the employment, transfer or termination                        date<br />
<strong>PENALTY : </strong>Anyone who violate this rule                        will be fined not more than 1,000 baht .</p>
<p><strong>NOTE: </strong><br />
All aliens engaged in any kind of work in Thailand must                        hold a valid work permit, issued principally by the Department                        of Employment of the Ministry of Labor and Social Welfare                        pursuant to the Alien Employment Act B.E. 2521 (A.D. 1978).<br />
The term <strong>&#8220;work&#8221;</strong> is defined very                        broadly, covering both physical and mental activities, whether                        or not for wages or other remuneration. Working without                        a valid work permit even for a day is a criminal offense.<br />
The validity period of a work permit is governed by the                        holder&#8217;s immigration status, i.e. a work permit usually                        expires on the last day of the period of stay allowed by                        immigration officials as shown on the alien&#8217;s visa. Aliens                        holding transit and tourist visas are not permitted to work.</li>
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		<title>Teachers Visa and Work Permit</title>
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          First off what&#8217;s the difference between a legal and an illegal teacher?


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<td height="14" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">     First off what&#8217;s the difference between a legal and an illegal teacher?</font></strong></td>
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<td height="19" valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">A      legal teacher has a teacher&#8217;s license (from the Thai Ministry of Education),      a work permit (from the Thai Labor Department) and a one-year visa (from the      Thai Immigration Dept) The one year visa is issued on the strength of you      having a work permit. If you don&#8217;t get the work permit, you don&#8217;t get the      one year visa. They are inextricably linked.<br />
An illegal teacher has no teacher&#8217;s license and no work permit, and of      course - no one year visa. Illegal teachers are resigned to doing border      hops and consulate runs to neighboring countries every month or every 2-3 months depending      on how they&#8217;ve got things organized. </font><br />
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<td height="18" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What visa options are      available to me before I enter Thailand?</font></strong></td>
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<td height="288" valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2"> 	To say that Thailand&#8217;s visa regulations are extraordinarily complex just  	doesn&#8217;t do things justice. And if anything they seem to get more and more  	complicated as time goes by.<br />
Well      there are three main options and these themselves have options within them.</p>
<p><strong>On-entry Visa:</strong> Most nationalities can receive 30 days on entry      automatically with the option (at the Immigration officers discretion) to      extend by 10 days (OR SOMETIMES 14 DAYS at a cost of 1,900 Baht) at an      Immigration office. Go here for the list of countries:      <a href="http://www.imm3.police.go.th/eng/">http://www.imm3.police.go.th/eng/</a></font> 	<font face="Verdana" size="2">There are countless foreigners who have lived  	in Thailand for years and simply toddled off to a border point every 30  	days, done a quick &#8216;in and out&#8217; and received a fresh 30-day stamp. That all  	changed on October 1st 2006 when Thai immigration announced that you could  	only have a maximum of three 30-day stamps, and then you have to spend 90  	days out of the country before you were allowed another one&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.or you  	have to go to a Thai consulate abroad and get a &#8216;proper&#8217; visa (tourist or  	non-immigrant) There are many theories as to why this rule came about but  	one popular notion is that it stops foreigners using the perpetual 30-day  	stamp as a cheap sort of permanent residency permit.</p>
<p></font>     <img src="http://www.ajarn.com/images/passport.jpg" align="left" border="0" height="103" width="96" /><font face="Verdana" size="2"><strong>Tourist Visas:</strong> Can and must be issued by a Thai Embassy or Consulate      and there are different numbers of entries (not always easy to get more than      one though!). A single tourist Visa would automatically entitle you to 60      days on entry to Thailand, with the option to extend by 30 days (again at      1,900 Baht) at an Immigration office. A double entry tourist Visa would      entitle you to the above, with a further 60 day entry once you&#8217;ve left and      returned (exit and re-entry) to Thailand (see border runs further on) and      the option to extend by a further 30 days. A triple entry would be the same      but with THREE entries of 60 days etc. The most entries I&#8217;m aware of is      four, but you&#8217;ll find that most neighboring Asian countries will only issue singles or doubles  	at best. A common question is &#8216;which embassy or consulate is the best to go  	to for a tourist visa? Penang in Malaysia? What about Kuala Lumpur? How  	about Vientiane in Laos? Or Cambodia even? The answer is &#8216;who the hell  	knows?&#8217; You hear just as many success stories as you do refusals - from all  	consulates. It all really depends on which way the wind is blowing.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">So let&#8217;s recap on what you can do with a double-entry tourist visa  	if you&#8217;re lucky enough to get one.<br />
Let&#8217;s      say you enter Thailand on the 1st January (for sake of argument). You get 60      days on entry which will allow you to stay in Thailand until the 28/29th      February. Just before the 60 days expire (or on the last day itself) you go      to immigration office in Thailand and extend for a further month. Then you      can extend for another two weeks (all extensions are currently 1,900 baht).      When your final day of your final extension is almost upon you, you catch a      bus, train or plane to a neighboring country&#8217;s border point and then turn      around and re-enter Thailand. Thus you now activate your second entry and      your second 60-days. So in effect, a double entry tourist visa will get you      60 days plus 60 days plus an optional extension of one month on each entry      and then a further extension of two weeks on each entry (all extensions can      be done at an office within Thailand). So you would get about seven months      out of your double entry tourist, but that includes one border hop and FOUR      trips to the immigration office!<br />
For the cost of tourist Visas in the UK go here:     <a href="http://www.thaiconsul-uk.com/">http://www.thaiconsul-uk.com</a><br />
Remember - you cannot work legally in Thailand on a tourist visa!</p>
<p>Which brings us to <strong>Non-immigrant Visas!</strong> There are many many different      types of these but I&#8217;ll cover the main ones in the next section. </font></p>
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<td height="18" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Which visa will I need in      order to become legal?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" height="395" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td height="395" valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2"> 	A Non-immigrant B Visa is generally the Visa you need to obtain      if you are looking to work here and to get one you are required to produce a  	whole stack of paperwork including a letter of employment, an employment  	contract, maybe a letter from your embassy (and there is even talk of a  	security background check). You really need to call the embassy or consulate  	ahead of time and find out EXACTLY what they require if you want a  	non-immigrant B. If you turn up with 100 pieces of paper, then you can bet  	your boots the officer will ask for 101.<br />
On entry you&#8217;ll receive 90      days of cover, with the option to extend by 10 days at Imm (I GET 14 + 6 ALL      FOR 1900) (cost: 1,900 Baht). You can also obtain (although this may have      changed recently) double entry Non-imm Bs (two entries of 90 days, the      second entry is obtained by exiting and re-entering the country). Multiple      entry Non-imm Bs are the best as they will give you just under 15 months of      cover in 90 day intervals. For a one year period ANY and EVERY time you      enter Thailand with the Non-imm B you&#8217;ll receive 90 days on entry. Generally      most school prefer you to be on a Non-imm B if you wish to obtain a work      permit, although as mentioned before a Non-imm O (spousal or dependants      Visa) is in some ways interchangeable and vice versa! A word of advice most      Consulates are far friendlier when it comes to issuing Non-imm Bs (and      multiples at that) than Embassies.     Cost of Non-imm B in the UK: <a href="http://www.thaiconsul-uk.com/">     http://www.thaiconsul-uk.com</a></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"> 	Again, the immigration rules overhaul of October 2006 meant that  	non-immigrant visas suddenly become a lot harder to get. Well, some people  	have had problems&#8230;.but there are people who have problems doing anything.</p>
<p>A <strong>Non-immigrant O Visa</strong> is generally for people married to a Thai      national or with Thai children or dependants. This works in basically the      same way as a Non-imm B. Although if you can show funds in a Thai bank  	account (400,000 baht) or show sufficient proof of local or overseas income to      prove that you can support your family, the immigration can indefinitely extend your Visa  	for up to 12 months. A work permit can now be obtained on a Non-imm O (it  	couldn&#8217;t before 2006)</p>
<p></font><font face="Verdana" size="2">Generally (or it      seems a lot of employers prefer) a Non-immigrant B Visa. Although it&#8217;s       possible to obtain a work permit with a Non-immigrant O Visa, it seems a      lot of employers either aren&#8217;t aware of this, or it&#8217;s too much hassle for      them. Generally you&#8217;ll need at least a couple of months of your Visa left      (which would initially be for 90 days) for the school to obtain all the      needed paperwork&#8230;although if they can show they&#8217;re going through the      motions Immigration can and will grant an extension (generally of around a      month) to give your employer time enough to finish everything off.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2"><strong>Important</strong><br />
Many people will disagree with me on this but I sincerely believe that no  	visa requirement rule is set in stone. There are many &#8216;human&#8217; factors  	involved when you apply for a visa and you are face-to-face with an  	immigration officer.<br />
Is the immigration officer in a good mood?<br />
Does he / she like you as a person and are you polite?<br />
Are you dressed smartly enough? (you don&#8217;t need to be in a velvet smoking  	jacket but Thais like clean people)<br />
Do you look like someone Thailand would want living in its country?<br />
etc, etc - the list is endless. Most of it is just plain common sense.</font></p>
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<td height="18" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Briefly, what is the process      of obtaining a teacher&#8217;s license and getting a work permit?</font></strong></td>
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<td height="327" valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">     Briefly, you give your school whatever documents they ask you for, and they      process them. You need to be tolerant and helpful at this point even if you      personally think hey have no need to ask for certain things. If you don&#8217;t      co-operate, the process will get stuck and you&#8217;ll be the one leaving the      country to get a new visa. First they obtain a teacher&#8217;s license for you,      and then they use this to get a work permit. Once you have a work permit,      your visa can be extended.</p>
<p>Lengthily, (and the details may vary between schools and provinces) the first      step is the teacher&#8217;s license. This requires more or less the following: A      personal information document, up to 12 one and a half inch photos, up to 12      two inch photos, a current health certificate (50 baht any hospital - are      you alive? yes - you passed), copies of your degree and other certs      (originals may be requested along with transcripts) certified Thai      translations of your degree and other certs, copies of every page of your      passport, school director&#8217;s license, school principal&#8217;s license, map of      school, teaching schedule of teacher, list of other work permit holders at      the school, a new blank teacher&#8217;s license book (blue), form Sor Chor 10,      form Sor Chor 17, form Ror 11. And if you&#8217;ve had a license before, then you      can add Ror 12, Sor Chor 19, Sor Chor 18, and your blue license book (not to      be confused with the work permit book, plus some provinces don&#8217;t issue them,      in which case you might need to fabricate a police report saying you&#8217;ve lost      it)</p>
<p>These are all submitted in quadruplicate to the Min of Ed, and don&#8217;t forget      to sign every single page. After a while (one week to who knows) you will      get the license back. You take this, along with most of the same documents      as above to the Labour Department, who will issue a receipt of application.      You can use the receipt to extend your visa - the implication being that      your application won&#8217;t be turned down at this stage. After about three weeks      you pick up your new work permit. When the time comes for renewal, it&#8217;s a      good idea to remind your school about one month before the expiry date,      though they really should be on top of things by that stage.</font><br />
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<td height="18" valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">How long does this process      take, and do I have to do it myself?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" height="176" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td height="176" valign="top" width="96%">     <font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">You need a school backing you      up in order to get yourself a teacher&#8217;s license. If the school can&#8217;t do the      paperwork then your own chances of doing it will be slim to non-existent.      Many schools do not actually know how to get licenses and work permits for      foreign teachers, or do not have a member of staff who has ever done it. In      this case things can get very drawn out with the application being postponed      indefinitely. If you&#8217;re the first or only foreigner in a school, good luck.</p>
<p>The actual process need not take a long time. The important thing is to get      the teacher&#8217;s license because that will enable you to make your work permit      application which is enough to extend your visa. When I process these, I      consider the day the visa expires to be the deadline for getting the license      in my hands. It can be done in a week. I aim for a month. If the paperwork      is flawed you can just keep on waiting.</font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What are the current      requirements from the Thai Ministry of Education?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><img src="http://www.ajarn.com/images/passport.jpg" align="left" border="0" height="103" width="96" /><font face="Verdana" size="2">This is something      of a 64 billion dollar question. Ask five different people and you&#8217;ll get      five different answers. The general consensus (as of Feb 2006) is that you      need BOTH a B.A (in any subject) AND a recognized TEFL certificate. If your      B.A is in English (and only English), then you do NOT need to show a TEFL      certificate in addition.<br />
I&#8217;m one of the few people who seem to push this point, but a hell of a lot      depends on your school&#8217;s relationship with the MoE. Some schools have poor      relationships with the MoE and need to jump through numerous hoops to get      their teachers legal. Other schools have good relationships and find the      whole process fairly painless (not that I&#8217;d ever use the word painless to      describe an aspect of Thai officialdom)<br />
There&#8217;s a lot of argument over what exactly constitutes a &#8216;recognized TEFL      certificate&#8217; but in my opinion, if the certificate&#8217;s got the word TEFL on it      in some shape, size or form, it should get through.<br />
Contrary to popular belief and rumor, the MoE do NOT check the validity of      degrees and TEFL certificates. They simply don&#8217;t have the manpower. The      responsibility of checking all certificates falls on the shoulders of the      employer (which is how it should be) You do however need to show <strong>original</strong>      copies to the officer at the MoE.</font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Do people teach on tourist      visas for a long time? Why?</font></strong></td>
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<td align="center" valign="top" width="4%"><strong><font face="Verdana">A</font></strong></td>
<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">The main reasons      that teachers work illegally (on tourist visas) are<br />
1) they don&#8217;t possess the necessary qualifications to obtain a teacher&#8217;s      license<br />
2) their school / institute can&#8217;t get them a work permit / won&#8217;t get them a      work permit / don&#8217;t know how to get them a work permit<br />
3) they actually prefer to remain a &#8216;free spirit&#8217; often juggling around      freelance work and not tied down to one particular establishment.<br />
Be warned though: teaching without a work permit can land you in serious  	trouble. Jail / fine / deportation - take your pick. </font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Does a work permit cover you      for all types of teaching work and in any location?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Surprisingly it      doesn&#8217;t and this is something that language schools and institutes remain      blissfully ignorant of. Your work permit allows you to teach in ONE location      only - the location written on the inside cover of the work permit. The      moment a teacher goes &#8216;outside&#8217;, perhaps to teach corporate clients at their      company office, the teacher is breaking the law.<br />
There has been talk of introducing a &#8216;roaming work permit&#8217; which would allow      a teacher to teach literally anywhere in Thailand provided it was for the      same company&#8230;..but it&#8217;s just talk.</font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What is a border run or border      hop?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">A border hop      means taking a train, a bus, a plane or anything with wheels, and crossing a      neighboring border. Then usually coming straight back into Thailand again. A      border hop is usually done to &#8216;activate&#8217; a second or third entry on a double      or triple entry visa. </font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What is a consulate/embassy      run?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">A consulate run      is when you physically need to get a new Thai visa in your passport and that      means schlepping to a Thai consulate/embassy in a neighboring country. It      goes without saying that consulate runs are more expensive, more      time-consuming (and dare I say more stressful) than border hops. Depending      on what time of day you arrive, Thai embassies / consulates will issue you a      new visa within 48 hours.</font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What countries are available      to me to do these hops and runs?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Phew! There must      be at least a dozen border points in Thailand where you can perform a border      hop, with the most popular being the Thai/Malaysian border point at Pedang      Besar, the Thailand/Laos border point at Nong Khai, and the Thailand /      Cambodia crossing at Aranya Pratheet.<br />
Long-termers generally have their own reasons for choosing a particular      border point.<br />
As far as consulates are concerned, the most popular choices are Penang      (Malaysia), and Vientiane (Laos). Other options include Singapore and Phnom      Phen. If you fancy a particular place to do a border hop or consulate run, I      suggest you put a post on the ajarn discussion board, and find out the      latest vibe for that crossing or consulate. Who knows, you might even find      someone to buddy up with! </font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">If I need to get a      non-immigrant visa from a neighboring country, what documentation do I need?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><img src="http://www.ajarn.com/images/passport.jpg" align="left" border="0" height="103" width="96" /><font face="Verdana" size="2">Firstly, your      school needs to be on the unofficial official school-list at the consulate      you are going to. If your school has got its act together, they will have      notified the consulate in the past and be &#8216;on the list&#8217;. Sadly, organization      is not one of Thailand&#8217;s best traits. All is not lost though, and if you can      plead your case well enough and you&#8217;re wearing a clean shirt, you&#8217;ll      probably get your non-immigrant visa. From experience, it always seems that      the consulate in Laos is by far the strictest when it comes to &#8216;hey your      school is not on the list so here&#8217;s a tourist visa, now bugger off&#8217;  -      Vietnam and Cambodia aren&#8217;t far behind so I&#8217;ve heard.<br />
You will need to take paperwork with you in order to get a non-immigration      visa. Again, if your school knows what it&#8217;s doing, this won&#8217;t be a problem.      The keyword is &#8216;if&#8217;.</font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What are the costs involved in      doing a border run and will my school pay?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Very difficult to      answer this question. You could take a cheap minibus from Bangkok to Aranya      Pratheet on the Cambodian border and still have change from thirty dollars.      Or you could fly to Singapore and stay a night in a swanky Orchard Road      hotel. Border runs can be tailored to fit most budgets.<br />
Schools almost rarely/never pay for a teacher to do a border hop or      consulate run.</font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">My school will get me a work      permit if I sign a one-year contract. What happens if I break that contract?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Well, the school      will be pissed off for a start (unless you&#8217;re an awful teacher and they      can&#8217;t wait to see the back of you). In addition to that, you will probably      be required to reimburse the school for the costs of work permit, teacher&#8217;s      license, admin staff&#8217;s shoe leather, etc, etc. You can expect to cough up      something in the region of 5,000 baht.<br />
More importantly, once you quit a job, your work permit and one-year visa      are null and void. You now have SEVEN days to leave the country and get a      new visa. Make sure that you keep tabs on EXACTLY when the school hands back      your work permit to the labor department, because that&#8217;s when the 7-day      clock starts ticking. I&#8217;ve heard numerous stories of schools failing to tell      the teacher that they&#8217;ve already cancelled the work permit and the teacher      suddenly staring at a hefty overstay fine. Needless to say, breaking a      contract is something you really should avoid doing if at all possible.<br />
Paully also adds the following - In addition to the advice already given,      remember that if your written employment contract has a notice period clause      in it (as is common), for example, allowing your employer or you to      terminate the contract on one month&#8217;s written notice to the other party, you      are NOT breaking your contract by giving your employer one month&#8217;s written      notice of leaving. You are terminating your contract by agreement. This is      as valid in Thai law as in US or UK law. Your employer may still be pissed      off, but there&#8217;s nothing in law he can do about it other than try to hold up      your application for a new work permit. Keep a copy of your letter of notice      and contact the Ministry of Labour if your old employer refuses to give      you/the Min of Labour a release form (Tor Dor 11) agreeing to your leaving      and allowing you to get a new work permit. </font><font face="Verdana" size="2">Update from a teacher regarding the &#8216;7-day  	rule&#8217;<br />
<em>In my case, the employer wrote on whatever form it was that they  	presented to the Labour Department that my last date of employment was 12  	June. They actually notified the Labour Department on 14 June and  	subsequently notified Immigration on 15 June. Immigration gave me until 18  	June (ie, the clock started ticking the first second into 12 June) to leave  	the country. I was expecting a date of 21 June, so this was a bit of a  	surprise, but not a problem.</em></font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">What is a re-entry permit?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">If you have a      non-immigrant visa, it will be cancelled if you leave the country. To avoid      canceling it, get a re-entry permit from immigration or at the airport      (before you go through immigration to leave). It costs 1000 baht for a      single re-entry, or 3,800 for a multiple. It&#8217;s valid as long as your visa.<br />
This is very important if you have a work permit, because canceling your      visa cancels the work permit and you have to start everything again. If you      have a multiple entry non-immigrant visa which has been extended on a work      permit (or you have a work permit application in process) then you still      need a re-entry permit, because a new entry is considered to be a new visa,      and everything will have been cancelled.<br />
If you&#8217;re hoping to qualify for residence, this is another reason to make      sure that your visa doesn&#8217;t get cancelled as you need to spend a certain      number of years here on the same visa in order to apply. If in doubt, check      with immigration first, because the consequences of getting it wrong are      troublesome. </font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">     <strong>What happens if I overstay a visa?</strong></font></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Basically if your      Visa (be it a tourist, Non-imm, entry&#8230;.whatever) is due to expire on say      7th May, 2004. You must either go to Imm (on that day&#8230;not the day after)      to get an extension (if you&#8217;re entitled to one&#8230;although to be honest      there&#8217;ll generally give you something although you don&#8217;t really want to be      paying 1,900 Baht for a days extension), or you can do a run (see border      runs) to a neighbouring country and exit and then re-enter to obtain a      further x amount of days (depending on which Visa you already hold).</p>
<p>Now overstay (and I&#8217;ve heard differing views, but this is generally how it  	works IMHO) starts from the day (kind of) your Visa runs out. So if you run  	out on the 8th and you on the 9th you&#8217;ll pay 500 Baht overstay. 10 days      would be 5,000 Baht, 20 = 10,000 Baht and so on and so on until you get to      the ceiling fine amount which is 20,000 Baht. I was under the impression      (and bear in mind the whims of Imm can change from day to day) that you were      allows one over stay of this amount in your passport&#8230;two could mean you&#8217;re      deported (again you hear a lot of different stories in regards to this).</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ve been over a few times here and there (28 days three years ago was      the most) and I&#8217;ve never had a problem with it although I have been shouted      at. Now what seems to be happening is if you can get to the border or      airport to pay the overstay you&#8217;ll (generally) be fine, BUT if you&#8217;re pulled      on overstay while in a touristy area, or just routinely asked to show your      passport and you&#8217;re on overstay&#8230;you could be in a heap of trouble. They      can and from what I&#8217;ve heard will arrest you and possibly deport you (once      you&#8217;ve paid the overstay amount owed). The worst story I&#8217;ve heard (from a      very reliable person from S&amp;A) was a chap got pulled on the Jack Golf bus      (at Sukhumvit before it was due to leave) and he was actually only 7 hours      over and on his way to the border to sort it out&#8230;.nicked and locked up!<br />
Visa services at the present time are a big no no (at least the ones that      send your passports off). </font><br />
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<td valign="top" width="96%"><strong>     <font color="#800000" face="Verdana" size="2">Can my employer refuse to give      me my teacher&#8217;s license when I leave?</font></strong></td>
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<td valign="top" width="96%">     <img src="http://www.ajarn.com/images/passport.jpg" align="left" border="0" height="103" width="96" /><font face="Verdana" size="2">It&#8217;s common for      schools to hang on to your teacher&#8217;s license (both the permanent version and      the version issued to that school for your current contract period) while      you&#8217;re working there. Schools sometimes like to hang on to your passport and      your blue work permit book too, officially for safekeeping, unofficially      perhaps in an attempt to stop you disappearing at the end of the month.      Remember that your passport is yours, the school has no right to keep it and      it should be kept with you. The work permit has to be kept with you OR at      your place of work during working hours: again the school has no automatic      right to keep it in the school safe forever. At the basic minimum, keep a      copy of the work permit in case you need it to refer to the number or      issue/expiry date.<br />
When you leave your work, the school must give you your permanent teacher&#8217;s      license (but not the current one issued for your employment) whether you      leave Thailand or remain to go on to a new job. Check you have the original      license with the original photograph and stamp on it. They have no right to      keep the original permanent license and give you only a copy. It&#8217;s yours,      not theirs.</font></td>
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		<title>Making the Visa Run: Doing it the Thai Way</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the unique aspects of ex-pat life is the visa run.  Visa runs are common enough throughout the world but are especially a part of life for foreigners living in Thailand.  Visa runs are usually required because of some archaic law that requires foreigners to leave the county in order to get the proper [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1"><strong><img src="http://www.rawaimuaythai.com/news/burma.jpg" align="left" height="264" width="264" />One of the unique aspects of ex-pat life is the visa run.  Visa runs are common enough throughout the world but are especially a part of life for foreigners living in Thailand.</strong>  Visa runs are usually required because of some archaic law that requires foreigners to leave the county in order to get the proper visa, which allows them to return and work in the country they just left.</font></font><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">I recently changed jobs in Bangkok, and since there was a gap between when my old visa ran out and when I was to start my new position, I had to leave the country to get a new non-immigrant “B” visa so I could get a new work permit and continue to legally live in the land of smiles. I have previously made three visa runs to Penang, Malaysia, which involved a nearly 24 hour train ride each way.  Now Penang isn’t the worst place to spend a couple of days, but since I’d already been there and done that and really didn’t have the time for a time consuming journey, I ruled out Penang as a destination.  I have also previously done a visa run to Vientiane, Laos, which was an interesting trip but I thought, since I don’t have as many opportunities to travel these days as I used to, I might as well go someplace I have never been before and may not have the chance to see again.  I chose to make this visa run to Phnom Penh, Cambodia.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">I only had a few days to make the trip, and I’m getting to the age where making long bus journeys over unpaved roads no longer seems very exotic, so I chose to fly.  It is possible to make the overland journey for the more adventurous, or cost conscience, by traveling to Aranyaprathet, Thailand, crossing the border over to Poipet, and traveling to Phnom Penh from there.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">I flew on Bangkok Airways for a round trip cost of under $150; tickets are available at all travel agencies throughout Thailand.  The actual flight took less time than it took to get through Bangkok traffic and go from my house to the airport.  I didn’t bother getting a Cambodian visa before leaving Thailand since it is an easy affair to get a visa upon arrival in Phnom Pehn for a fee of $20. The Phnom Penh airport is very small and to get your visa and passport stamped, your paperwork has to go through the “line.” The line consisted of six uniformed men each performing a single task. The first one would place the visa sticker in your passport, the second would look at it and then sign it, followed by a third who would check it to make sure it was correct.  The other three did a similar procedure in order to give an arrival stamp in my passport.</font></font></p>
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<td width="60%"><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">A month previous, I did a border hop to Poipet, since my visa had expired and this was cheaper than having to pay 200 Baht a day for a month’s overstay, so this was my second trip to Cambodia, if you want to count the 10 minutes I stayed in Poipet.  In Poipet, the differences on the two sides of the border were extreme.  Thailand may seem by western standards to be very poor, but the children in Thailand are clean, well fed, and have the opportunity to go to school for at the very least a few years.  This is not the case in Poipet where the visitor is greeted by poor, obviously undernourished children, amputee beggars, and other equally depressing sights next to a multitude of garishly decorated casinos where rich Thais can come and lose some money. After this first experience into Cambodia, I was expecting Phnom Penh to be a city where extreme poverty was rampant.  But this was not really the case.</font></font></td>
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<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">While there certainly is poverty, and some cases extreme poverty in Phnom Pehn, the thing that most struck me was how normal life seemed to be.  Most people seemed to have a place to go and things to do. While the pace of life is much slower than in Bangkok or New York, it didn’t appear (on the surface) to be very much different from a Thai provincal capitol.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">Outside the airport I was told would be a multitude of motorcycle taxis to take me into town.  But when I arrived in the evening, the only transportation that was available was a regular taxi with a standard fare of $7.  There are number of guesthouses and hotels throughout the city with a variety of prices.  There are a number of cheaper places down by the Tonle Sap River, which seems to be the center for western budget travelers.  I ended up staying at a place called the Paris Hotel near the Central Market, which was clean, had very large rooms and about 60 channels on cable for $20 a night.  Whether this is a good deal for Phnom Penn or not I can’t really say but I was satisfied.  The hotel had a restaurant downstairs, a snooker room on the second floor, and a massage parlor on the third floor.  I don’t play snooker so I stayed off the second floor.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">I used motorcycle taxis to get around.  There are regular taxis available, but they aren’t always easy to find, and bus service is extremely limited. I always paid a buck (US$ 1) for a trip; I’m sure old hands in the country pay less, but it seemed reasonable enough, and for that price the taxis would wait for you for the return trip.  Interesting use of money, the US dollar was the most commonly used currency and the local currency, the Riel, was used as the ”change.” The exchange rate was roughly 4000 to the dollar, so a thousand Riel note was used as a quarter would be used in the states. It was weird for me to be an American who had to change Thai Baht into US Dollars to go to yet another country.  A loaf of French bread or a glass, yes a glass not a cup, of coffee was 500 Riels or roughly 12 and a half cents, to give you some idea of prices. Unlike Thailand, they drive on the right in Cambodia, but since many of the cars are left hand drive seeing where you are going while driving seems to be more than a bit of a problem. Like in most SE Asian countries venturing out on to the roads is always an adventure. One very interesting thing I saw when I made a couple of trips around 11 kilometers outside of town was the use of homemade wagons where up to 20 people could sit attached to a common motorcycle as a crude bus service.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">Getting my visa wasn’t much of a problem, dropped it off one day and picked it up the next.  There was a delay, probably because I didn’t have one official document that was required but used a photocopy of a brochure instead, on the second day, and I had to wait around the Thai Embassy for the better part of an hour.  While waiting I did watch a guy who made two cardinal mistakes of doing things in SE Asia and the difficulties he was encountering.</font></font></p>
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<td width="55%"><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">The guy, who was British, claimed to be a journalist for some obscure French organization and clearly his paperwork wasn’t exactly in order.  First mistake, he showed up wearing the typical backpacker’s uniform of shabby looking worn-out clothes with lots of pockets, and he needed to borrow a pen to fill out the application form. (A journalist without a pen?) Now, showing up claiming to be a journalist looking like this may impress on Khao San Rd. (the center for backpackers in Bangkok) but it surely will not help your cause when dealing with an individual who comes from a country where journalists wear suits and ties. When dealing with SE Asian bureaucrats leave the torn jeans, bandannas and tie-dyed T-shirts at the guesthouse.</font></font><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">Second, he told the clerk that the clerk was wrong and demanded to see the Consulate General.  The clerk smugly agreed, and refused to further discuss the matter with him and said that the Consulate General would see him, when she (The Consulate General) found the time to talk to him. My guess is that wouldn’t be until after it was too late to get your application in for the day, but I didn’t wait around to find out. Don’t lose your cool and make demands.  No one likes confrontation, but it is especially disliked in SE Asia. Dress respectably and avoid raising your voice when dealing with bureaucrats, especially if your paperwork is a bit dodgy.</font></font></td>
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<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">Food there was ok, but didn’t see a McDonald&#8217;s or any other western chain restaurants. Some of the guesthouses supply good western food at affordable prices, and there are a number of Khmer restaurants, also. The Khmer people are very friendly and don’t worry, you can always just point at things that look good.  There was a fast-food type place there called lucky burger, it was ok and the prices were low but it’s only for real fast-food addicts who need their fix.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">There are not a great variety of typical tourist attractions.  I did go to the national museum, which is worth an hour of two of your time, as is the Royal Palace. I decided not to visit the “attractions” associated with the Khmer Rouge regime; I didn’t want to spend my few days there looking over morbid sights.  The Khmer people seem to have for the most part put that part of their history behind them and are now getting on with their lives.</font></font></p>
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<td><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">I decided to check out the nightlife, and some of the places where a lonely traveler can find some companionship, strictly for research purposes mind you.  Sharkey’s Bar was an interesting place where a traveler can find a variety of ways to quench a thirst while playing some pool or chatting with individuals from a multitude of nations.  Strange thing, there seems to be an unusually large number of Khmer or Vietnamese women that appear to be very friendly to the weary traveler. Martini’s Disco is another interesting place, but I didn’t see a lot of dancing going on there, and many of the ladies would have been way too young to get into an American disco.  For the most part I found Cambodia to be a fairly normally place with isolated pockets of outlandish decadence.</font></font></td>
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<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">One of my favorite things to do in a new place is to take long walks without really having a plan on seeing anything in particular, and I often did this in Phnom Penh. This was a great way to see how the average citizen of Phnom Penh lives.  However the Khmer people think this is crazy.  Why, do they ask, would anyone with money in their pocket choose to walk in the heat when they can ride ataxi or motorcycle to get where they want to go?  So every motorcycle taxi, and there are countless numbers of them, has to stop and ask if you need a ride.</font></font></p>
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<td><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">One of the joys of taking a walk is to have some time to think while getting a bit of exercise, but this constant appeal for use of their services by the motorcycle taxis makes continuing any train of thought for over a few moments next to impossible which is a bit annoying.  I never felt unsafe during my time there.</font></font></td>
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<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">The biggest problem the country has is obviously a lack of jobs, but there sure isn’t a lack of NGO officials driving around in Land Cruisers.  I wish I had the Land Cruiser dealership there.  The country would be better off if all the NGOs sold off all their Land Cruisers and used the money to open factories that would actually employ some common people.   Investors with the resources for some foreign direct investment could do some serious good for the people and would be most welcome.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font size="-1">All in all it was a successful visa run, I got the visa with a minimum of hassle, I went someplace new, meet interesting people, saw new things, didn’t spend too much and basically enjoyed myself.  If you have to make a visa run, or happening to be visiting SE Asia, you should consider making a short trip to Cambodia. </font></font><br />
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		<title>Thai Visa Run Off To Malayasia ~ by Bart Walters</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Last week I engaged in a common occurrence among expats here in Thailand—the visa run. Both my business partner and I were due for out 90-day excursion outside the Kingdom of Thailand, to satisfy our non-immigrant B visas granted to us for business purposes.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src="http://www.rawaimuaythai.com/news/burma.jpg" align="left" height="236" width="236" />Last week I engaged in a common occurrence among expats here in Thailand—the visa run. Both my business partner and I were due for out 90-day excursion outside the Kingdom of Thailand, to satisfy our non-immigrant B visas granted to us for business purposes.</p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"></font></font><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><font size="-1">Visas and changes in visa policy are part of life as a foreigner in the Kingdom of Thailand. Until recently, visa and work permit requirements for most western developed countries and rich Asian countries were pretty relaxed. Visa extensions, long-term, and multi-entry visas could be had cheaply and hassle-free. </font></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><font size="-1">All that changed with the terrorist bombing of a night club in Bali, Indonesia, which killed over 200 people, mostly Australian vacationers. In the past, each Thai embassy and consulate acted very autonomously, interpreting the law with their own twist. Visa agencies all over Thailand help foreigners with visa applications. They knew which Thai embassies and consulates were the easiest, fastest, and most likely to accept incomplete or improperly prepared applications. Singapore is an incredible hassle, but Penang in Malaysia, or Melbourne, Australia were always more accommodating. Earlier this year a new mandate for strict adherence to the rules was launched and everything changed.</font></font></font></p>
<p><strong><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><font size="-1">Do It Yourself</font></font></font></strong></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><font size="-1">I personally witnessed the misfortune of some folks who made the mistake of paying for a visa without actually leaving the country. For a fee, agents promised to take the foreign passports out of the country, have them stamped and new visas issued. Unfortunately, many of these agents took the money and forged the stamps. I saw two English women get detained at the immigration office in Ranong on the Burmese border. They had fake stamps in their passports and were required to reveal the agent that provided it. </font></font></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><font color="#000080"><font size="-1">Now, the much sought after 90-day plus multi-entry visa is a bit more elusive than in the past. This results in more paperwork. And, apparently the new controls have been effective at thwarting terrorist activity. In fact, some of these changes were instrumental in capturing the mastermind of the Bali bombing who attempted to hide in Thailand.</font></font></font></p>
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